When talking about this movie, people frequently bring up the fact that the message boils down to the fact that, in the end, it really does matter what you look like, and that the ugly guy won’t ever get the girl no matter how nice he is.
Well. Those people are wrong.
Think harder. There are three contenders for Esmeralda’s affections - Frollo, Quasimodo, and Phoebus. Frollo has zero affection for Esmeralda. No affection, no respect, no good feelings at all. All he feels is lust. And when he looks at her, all he sees are her faults (or what he believes are faults). He sees her a sexy gypsy who has spent her whole life in sin. And that causes him to feel lust. Because of this, he is incapable of seeing her good heart and truly decent soul. He sees a problem in need of fixing.
The audience wants Quasimodo to get the girl because he’s nice and she treats him well, and he deserves to catch a break for once in his life. And those things are all true. However. That line of thought essentially equates Esmeralda to his prize, to an object rather than a person. The problem with a Quasimodo-Esmeralda pairing is the exact opposite of Frollo. Frollo sees no good qualities in her, Quasimodo sees no bad qualities. He puts her on a pedestal and blinds himself to any mistakes she may make or flaws in her personality. He idolizes her in a way that is not healthy.
But Phoebus… Phoebus sits between the two: he sees her good, he sees her bad, and he can see the whole picture. He sees Esmeralda as she actually is - a person. She is not a sinful creature in need of reform and she is not a perfect specimen of humanity. Phoebus is the only one who can see that, and the only one who respects her as a person instead of a prize.
And that’s why the pretty guy gets the girl.
"Frollo saw Esmeralda as a demon. Quasimodo saw Esmeralda as an Angel. Phoebus saw her as Esmeralda. That is why Esmeralda fell in love with Phoebus."
best thing i learned working with and learning about kids: when they do shit like this, especially to something they themselves use and enjoy, leave it there for as long as possible. let them return to the fun thing over and over again so that it sinks in that the thing they did was wrong, they ruined something, and now they can’t have fun because of it and they should never do it again. it teaches them consequence of action and cautiousness.
i did this with a 3-year-old kid i babysat who filled his playstation with peanut butter before i got there, just every time he went back to it and asked why it’s not working, i opened it and pointed to the peanut butter stains and said “you did that” and he says “yeah”, “will it work like that?” “…no”, and when he got it and promised to never put anything but games into a game machine again, his parents bought another and he kept his promise. it works, even at that age.
this was a long and unnecessary rant but so many times i’ve seen parents IMMEDIATELY replace their kids’ toys/electronics that they destroy over and over again and i’m just like NO THEY’RE NOT LEARNING ANYTHING THAT WAY
they also don’t learn from being thrown into fires
yeah but they’re quieter that way
break the rules
Yeah, I might have watched a movie and gotten kind of mad.
This is seriously a trope I’d love to never see again though.
go to pringles prison you piece of shit do not pass go do not collect 200 dog dollars
New mount found.
*mount lust intensifies*
what the fuck am I supposed to be looking at
Oh my god. His cap brim and nose make the beak.
The East Asian women + colored hair trope
(An extension of extraextraex’s post.)
Looking at the pictures above, it’s pretty easy to find the similarities. East Asian women with dyed purple/blue/red hair, usually in a streak. No matter how you look at this, this is an uncomfortably specific trend in media. Yeah, it looks cute, but after seeing this over and over again, it becomes a boring, racist trope. This originated from a variety of possibilities: the creators trying to “Americanize” the East Asian character, make them more “exotic”, or to show how unique this character is. She’s not a giggling schoolgirl or a delicate lotus flower, she’s different! See, she has a streak of purple hair (god forbid she dyes it any other color), look how radical that is, look at our modern Dragon Lady!
And yes, Knives dyed her hair to look like Ramona, and yes, Somni-451’s hair is like that to mark her as a clone, but these characters do not exist in a vacuum. You can justify why a character has a specific appearance, but in the end, this character was created, and contributes to stereotypes no matter the intent.
So the moral of this story is that your Asian character with a strip of purple hair isn’t original. It isn’t unique. No matter how innocent this appears to be, it can be detrimental to East Asian girls, since the characters that look like them have the same exact traits. It’s time to explore different ways of designing East Asian characters, instead of just slapping on some purple and calling it a day.
wow i did not notice this until it got pointed out.
As a typical South East Asian, currently living in South East Asia, you can go on and on about this being a stereotypical Asian trait or whatever, but you know what? I would dye my hair this way if I weren’t a working professional because, you know what? I actually like that style. I like having random highlights because it looks cool. And I have seen most of the teenagers with outrageous colours: blue, red, purples, even rainbow colours because it’s a way to stand out among the sea of black hair. So stop trying to find every single little detail to nitpick and show that wow, you get it and you’re standing up for SJ over something that’s actually a common appearance in, Surprise! South East Asia.
You know, let’s be real here; this is bullshit. Once upon a time SJ was actually a really awesome thing and when done properly it can still be a powerful tool. The problem is all the wannabe allies trying to show how conscientious they are of SJ problems when all they really want is a pat on the back.
However, you don’t get a pat on the back for undermining what was once an excellent method of change. You aren’t an ally when you make these sort of claims, because what you have done and continue to do is destroy the credibility of SJ. I see far more bitching about SJ on my dash than I should and this post (and it’s cited predecessor) is a particularly good example of the sort of bullshit claims that drive rejection of SJ. (Though, admittedly, this one is laughably transparent.)
As an aside; here in Japan and over in Korea it isn’t uncommon to see girls with colorful highlights or lowlights. It isn’t uncommon to see girls with colorful highlights in movies, television, anime, games, or PMVs here, either. And since western cartoons were referenced, maybe watch some anime.
So if you’re bothered by that trope and you want to put a stop to it, perhaps your first stop should be Asia.
If you really want to use SJ for Asian women, there are very real issues that Japanese-American women have to deal with on a daily basis. For example, OP includes an Asian prostitute from Skyfall. Why are we worried about hair when the Asian Prostitute stereotype is sitting right there? How could you go off about hair when something far less shallow and far more insidious is going on?
Nikki Wong is included even though she is a character that questions authority which breaks the Submissive Asian stereotype.
Yukio from The Wolverine is a hot mess of stereotypes in her source material (in the comics she was a ninja), but no, we’ll talk about her hair.
Akima Kunimoto was actually one of the main characters and a pilot that didn’t take shit. She breaks stereotypes.
Knives Chau is included because half her hair is blue, but all of the white female lead’s hair is purple. It’s appropriate. However, Knives is problematic as a Submissive Asian for Scott Pilgrim. She exists as a male fantasy; an Asian woman that is obsessed with him.
I’m going to end this with Mako Mori. She’s a Japanese woman that is respectful rather than submissive, isn’t a love interest, and is informed by her Asian-ness rather than defined by it. Hell, she even has her own narrative arc.
- If colorful highlights in Asian characters’ hair is a trope it is one fully embraced by many Asian countries.
- Social Justice is undermined by claims like that in point 1.
- The original posts lost an opportunity to address damaging stereotypes Asian women really do face.
TOPH: Well if you like the moon spirit so much, why don’t you marry her?
SOKKA: *Gross sobbing*